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Orange Lounge Radio Episode 203: 10 / 8 / 06

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Postby VxJasonxV » Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:59 am

Plain Chocolate is so much better than Coconut, dude.
Seriously.
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Re: I take that back

Postby Eddy » Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:11 pm

Graywulf wrote:Actually VC-1 is a compression codec for 1080(i)nterlaced
not 1080p it will be a requirment for Blu-ray to have this codec
as well.


Not true, VC-1 is both a 1080i or a 1080p codec.
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Re: Blu-Ray - HDDVD

Postby mikew0440 » Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:40 pm

Graywulf wrote:
mikew0440 wrote:
Graywulf wrote:The two formats will look the same
thats the HD part but its about storage
capacity.

You can put HD on a CD or DVD but
not as much so again its about the
storage.

You can make your buying decisions
with that in mind.


Actually, HD-DVD looks far better than anything the Blu Ray can produce. This is because of the encoding that both use. HD-DVD uses the new high definition codec VC-1. Blu ray uses an aged codec in MPEG-2 (the same thing in DVD's). If Blu Ray can fix the codecs and master old films for high def, they'll look comparable. At this point, HD-DVD is the way to go if you have to be on the cutting edge. (stupid until something wins)



Your serious VC-1 is a compression codec that supports the HDDVD for its lack of space no such codec is needed with Blu-Ray.


At this point, HD-DVD looks better than Blu Ray. Mpeg-2 was used on ORIGINAL DVDs.

Edit-Mpeg-2 is only capable of 480p, which definitely isn't high def. Yeah, it's upscaled, but it doesn't look as good as native 1080i or 1080p.
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Re: I take that back

Postby Graywulf » Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:53 pm

Eddy wrote:
Graywulf wrote:Actually VC-1 is a compression codec for 1080(i)nterlaced
not 1080p it will be a requirment for Blu-ray to have this codec
as well.


Not true, VC-1 is both a 1080i or a 1080p codec.


Nope the Goal of VC-1 is to convert to 1080i not straight
to 1080p sorry i didnt state it correctly but my point was it will
be included by HDDVD as well as Blu-ray.

Making it no difference in picture quality but not changing
the storage capacity of either.

So my point is the only difference is storage one has more
the other doesnt.
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Postby Jayveemon » Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:01 pm

Gaming is about gameplay not storage and specs though
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Postby Eddy » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:38 pm

Even the storage size is a non-issuse at this point. The maximum capacity of a triple layered, double-sided HD-DVD is 90GB, while the Blu-Ray has a maximum capacity of 100GB, with a 200G disk in development.

While it is true that storage capacities are getting larger, compression technologies are also getting more advanced. Take Roboblitz for PC and 360 for example, it's an Unreal Engine 3 game that fits in under 50MB, and that's pretty impressive. And I'm sure most companies would much rather spend a week (or less) have one guy compressing their files than to have to print their games onto the more costly HD-DVD and Blu-Ray disks. And even if they did not compress the files that much, it would be pretty hard to fill up even 90GBs.

As well, precedurally generating content, as Oblivion, Spore, and BioShock does, takes up significantly less space and effort than having to manually compile all game assets. And it's more fun because you don't feel the game is so linear and makes the game seem more realistic. And frankly, more games should be that way.

And even for movies, since there aren't any HD-DVD games. I dare you to find me a movie that could fill up 90GB in any form, even with extra content.

Honestly, it's way too early for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray to enter the market, and I'm thinking both will sell terriblly for a long time.

And FYI, both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray support the exact same codecs for video (yes, even VC-1, the newer disks, anyway.), so that argument can be laid to rest.
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Lay it to rest then

Postby Graywulf » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:59 am

Wow eddy you sure know how to expand on the size
difference issue lol

I wasnt even referencing games in my true quote
and you allready are repeating what I say.

why repeat it and then deny it in the same quote.

Lay it to rest then.

Just let me know what HD DVD game has been planned?
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Postby Eddy » Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:06 am

What the hell are you talking about? When did I repeat what you said? My whole point is that HD-DVD and Blu-Ray is totally unnecessary right now. I never said there was going to be any HD-DVD games. And what did I repeat and deny?

Did you even read my post?
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Postby DJPooEater » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:04 am

DarkSakura wrote:I buy games, play them out, and trade them in when I want to buy new ones. *shrug*


That is exactly what I do too..... except my Metal Gear Solids...
I don't even own a playstation 2 anymore but I still have my metal gears....
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Postby Graywulf » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:54 pm

heres what I wrote.
Nope the Goal of VC-1 is to convert to 1080i not straight
to 1080p sorry i didnt state it correctly but my point was it will
be included by HDDVD as well as Blu-ray.


heres what eddy wrote.
And FYI, both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray support the exact same codecs for video (yes, even VC-1, the newer disks, anyway.), so that argument can be laid to rest.


And as far as finding out what game is gonna be on
HDDVD I allready knew there was none intended.

So to compare DVD storage capacity and fitting future games
on old tech is somewhat lame to me. But thats just me ok.
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Postby Eddy » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:32 pm

DVD is "old tech"?

Funny, I don't see HD-DVDs and Blu-Rays flying off the shelves...

I am no longer going to reply to any of your posts, since its pretty evident your position in any of these arguments.
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